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wizer

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Why do most proxies seem dead?
« on: November 10, 2007, 02:35:23 PM »
Hi. Thanks in advance for those who help out by answering posts and providing ips.

I find that when I manually test lists of proxies, I might find 1 in 15 or 20 that actually works. And the one particular forum that I try to access rarely works with even the ones that do work on other sites.

Is there something I am doing wrong, or is it the case that most of the proxies listed on this site are in fact not working?


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Re: Why do most proxies seem dead?
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2007, 08:51:08 PM »
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I find that when I manually test lists of proxies, I might find 1 in 15 or 20 that actually works.

Define exactly what you mean by "manually test lists of proxies".

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And the one particular forum that I try to access rarely works with even the ones that do work on other sites.

And how is anyone to answer this comment without knowing what forum you are speaking of and the proxies you are attempting to access it with?

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Is there something I am doing wrong, or is it the case that most of the proxies listed on this site are in fact not working?

Most likely the answer to both questions is "yes" ... especially the latter one. The majority of the proxies posted to all proxy forum sites are dead at the time of posting or at least within minutes of it.


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Re: Why do most proxies seem dead?
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2007, 08:59:57 PM »
Why proxies always die quickly:
http://forum.my-proxy.com/index.php?topic=93.0
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Re: Why do most proxies seem dead?
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2007, 03:55:32 AM »
dear friend, you said in your post
When you use a proxy, you are using the resource on the proxy server such as its CPU and memory. If too many people use the same proxy, the proxy server will exceed its limited load and go down. If a proxy can be found easily, it usually dies very fast.
if all guys work with same proxy and after the proxy dies or become very slow, but if after nobody works with it, it's  becomes good again ?

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Re: Why do most proxies seem dead?
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2007, 10:53:07 AM »
Common sense should tell you that "all guys" would not work with same proxy!  Neither would all girls.

In the overwhelming majority of cases, once a proxy dies it is permanently dead.  However, not all proxies that are not working when you test them are actually dead.  Some are just sleeping so-to-speak.  Meaning, as I believe I have told you before, not all proxies work 24/7/365 for a variety of reasons.
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Re: Why do most proxies seem dead?
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2007, 08:39:36 PM »
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If all guys work with same proxy and after the proxy dies or become very slow, but if after nobody works with it, it's  becomes good again?

Yes, some dead proxies may work again after some time.
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Re: Why do most proxies seem dead?
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2007, 02:13:20 PM »
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I find that when I manually test lists of proxies, I might find 1 in 15 or 20 that actually works.

Define exactly what you mean by "manually test lists of proxies".

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And the one particular forum that I try to access rarely works with even the ones that do work on other sites.

And how is anyone to answer this comment without knowing what forum you are speaking of and the proxies you are attempting to access it with?

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Is there something I am doing wrong, or is it the case that most of the proxies listed on this site are in fact not working?

Most likely the answer to both questions is "yes" ... especially the latter one. The majority of the proxies posted to all proxy forum sites are dead at the time of posting or at least within minutes of it.

By manually testing, I mean I put in the IPs and ports into my browser and try to access the site, rather than running the list through a proxy checker, which I understand may result in false results, and indicate that the proxy is dead when it really isn't.

The forum I am trying to access is womansavers.com

The proxies I am using are the ones that are provided on this forum.

Thanks.

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Re: Why do most proxies seem dead?
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2007, 06:59:37 PM »
Well, you almost got it right.

We use proxy analyzing software (like Charon which is totally free and is still the best) against a very reliable proxyjudge to eliminate all the crap, i.e. dead, transparent, Planetlab/CoDeen, so-called "dangerous" and otherwise non-working proxies from the various lists we obtain.

Common sense should tell you that attempting to do this from scratch in your browser would take forever, and of course once you found a proxy you could in fact use it would probably die shortly and the process would have to begin all over.  Your understand of the results when testing proxies using proxy analyzing software is incorrect ... providing a reliable proxyjudge is being used.

As the reason should have been abundantly apparent clear, but wasn't ... I asked, "which proxies" you used in order to determine if you even had the necessary knowledge to recognize which ones wouldn't and couldn't work on a particular site (like the one you mentioned).  I was looking for a specific list of the ones you used, dead or alive.  Get it now?

By the way, if I also haven't made it clear, for the most part, the proxies on this site are no different than those posted to every proxy forum site.
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Re: Why do most proxies seem dead?
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2007, 03:21:59 PM »
Common sense should tell you that attempting to do this from scratch in your browser would take forever

I asked, "which proxies" you used in order to determine if you even had the necessary knowledge to recognize which ones wouldn't and couldn't work on a particular site (like the one you mentioned).  I was looking for a specific list of the ones you used, dead or alive.  Get it now?

It actually doesnt take me much longer to check them myself by manually entering the ips into my browser than running them through a proxy checking program. I check all the ips with the same port number, sequentially, so all I need to do is cut and paste the ip off the list and enter it into the browser. While waiting for the page to load, I go back to the list and cut another ip, and by the time I get back to the browser connection settings, its given the last ip address about 30 seconds to try to access the site, and if it's failed, then I paste in the new ip, hit the STOP button and click on the site shortcut again to try to reload the page. And I continue in this manner, changing the port numbers as needed, until the list has been eliminated or I find a working IP.

The proxies I use are the latest ones posted on this forum in the Level 1 high anonymous proxies, but I have also tried the Level 2 anonymous filtered proxies, and there seem to be a few more that work in that second list.

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Re: Why do most proxies seem dead?
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2007, 04:14:18 AM »
That is pure bullshit.  There is no way you can check a list of proxies manually in your browser as fast as you can with proxy analyzing software.  But, if it suits your needs, then why are you here?

You check all the IPs with the same port number?  That is ridiculous! Some proxies have been set up to work with multiple ports, most are not.  So, for example, if you check a proxy that only works on port 8080, and you check it using port 80 guess what ... it won't work!

By refusing to provide an actual list of proxies you have tested (as requested twice), you can't be helped.  You are a lost cause, so goodbye!



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Re: Why do most proxies seem dead?
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2007, 04:53:32 PM »
I didn't say "AS FAST".

I said "almost as fast". The proxy checkers give each IP a timeout of about 20 seconds, and I can copy and paste the numbers into the browser almost as fast as that, so, while it's not  AS fast, it's "not much longer". Try it yourself. Once you get into a rhythm of cutting and pasting it goes fast.  It's not AS fast but its not "forever" either.

I check all the IPs with the same port number sequentially, so all I have to do is change the ip, not the port number. Once I have tried all the IPs with port 80, for example, I then change the port number to 8080, and try all the 8080 ips next. Of course I dont try an 80 port with an ip that has an 8080 port specified as part of its address.

I thought by saying that I got the IPs from the Level 1 lists provided here, it was enough.

Ok, to be EXACT, I have used proxies from the high anonymous proxy section, and most recently I used

this list


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Re: Why do most proxies seem dead?
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2007, 04:55:19 PM »
But, if it suits your needs, then why are you here?

And manually checking does not "suit my needs" because out of a list of say 50 IPs, I get maybe 3-4 that actually work. If it "suited my needs" then I wouldn't be here putting up with insults from a member who I don't dare flame because he seems to be one of the few on this site who knows what he's talking about and I could use his help.

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Re: Why do most proxies seem dead?
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2007, 08:53:24 PM »
Hi wizer, why don't you check the proxies by a software?
Such as our proxy checker:
http://www.eliteproxyswitcher.com/

It can do the same things as you but much faster.
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Re: Why do most proxies seem dead?
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2007, 03:49:57 AM »
And manually checking does not "suit my needs" because out of a list of say 50 IPs, I get maybe 3-4 that actually work. If it "suited my needs" then I wouldn't be here putting up with insults from a member who I don't dare flame because he seems to be one of the few on this site who knows what he's talking about and I could use his help.

First of all, I am not a "he".

Secondly, if you want my help, then provide the information I have specifically requested.

I have no problem using even a web proxy to join, confirm membership application, log in, and navigate the site you mentioned (womensaver.com). 
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Re: Why do most proxies seem dead?
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2007, 03:59:34 PM »
I have no problem using even a web proxy to join, confirm membership application, log in, and navigate the site you mentioned (womensaver.com). 

Me neither. I'm sure you have found that the site is slow using a web based proxy server, and although it's easy to do all of the things you said, of course it's not possible to post messages, although it is possible to PM other members. That's the reason I was asking about the browser integrated proxies, so I can post. If all I wanted was to apply, join, confirm membership, login, etc then of course I would use a web based proxy. But that wasn't my question, and it wasnt the answer I was looking for, even though I provided the "specific information" you asked me for. So thanks, for nothing.

I have discovered that in fact I'm doing nothing wrong, that out of the lists provided on this site and others, most of the proxies are either dead or so overloaded due to the heavy usage and being tested by numerous proxy checking sites that they are as good as worthless.

You're correct that it's senseless to argue with a person that is using their time and knowledge to help me, but it's also pointless to suggest that I sit back and listen to this person tell me that I what I say is "bullshit" and that I am a "lost cause". Especially when the net result is no help whatsoever from a chick that supposedly knows "a thousand times more than I do". Wow. A thousand. That's a big number.

 

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