Author Topic: NEWB. Time sensitive proxy use needs = impatience/overhwleming proxy BS.  (Read 10270 times)

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So, I've never tried to use proxies before. I generally learn anything quite well when I care to, but it seems that my desire for hassle free and prompt, high anonymous/elite/level 1, secure, reliable, fast server speed proxies is leading to my impatience and ease of being overwhelmed with attempting to make this proxy stuff work right.

It seems to me that programs like Elite Proxy Switcher allow you to manually store proxies that you find from various sources (instead of having to write them down/save to notepad or bookmark on the web etc), gives you all the test info as shown in the screenshots to help with your selection, and then allows you to just double click on the proxy in the software instead of manually enter it into your browser through internet options. Simple as that?

It seems to me that the real prize still comes down to finding quality proxies to use because it is quite easy to manually enter the proxy instead of needing to download software to do it for you. It seems there is another pay service to find the supposedly high quality, reliable proxies for you.

I've been browsing various "high anonymous", "anonymous" and "fresh" free proxy lists on the web and on this forum, and they all seem to be extremely low quality and unreliable. So far, the most reliable and highest quality proxy I found is through on of the rare free web based proxy sites that actually allows you to interact with sites by posting etc - but even that service is annoying because of all the ads it feeds your computer to generate their site revenue.

The only fast proxies I have found to manually enter so far do not allow for good interaction with sites. I tested attempts to post, log in, watch streaming video from youtube or google (not even logged in) etc and that all failed even though the sites loaded at a decent speed and with full visibility of features. Log ins and post attempts failed and youtube and google video look the same as always except that the video never shows any image and never plays - just appears to endlessly load. Most of the proxies I find to manually enter just don't work or are incredibly slow to the point where they are just useless to me. I spend WAY too much time searching for a good proxy and it does sem like using a program that allows me to not have to manually enter it is going to cut down on that enough because the real rpoblem is finding good proxies.

It's very discouraging. I'm tight on money right now, and I don't want to waste my money on allegedly "high quality" proxy lists if it's just going to be the same BS unreliable and ineffective proxies.

I really just want to use a high anonymous, fast, reliable proxy source to exchange web based emails and have full feature interaction with all websites as usual ASAP so that I am not concerned with revealing IP due to location and browsing history concerns (complicated and private reasons why this is a concern and security threat to me).

Is this just the typical deal with using proxies and the only way anyone can have a truly trouble free experience is if they use some sort of pay service that skips all the hassle for you mostly just by always having high quality proxies for you to use? And how can anybody really be sure that all these expensive, alleged "high quality", proxy lists are actually worth a damn? Or, is there some very high quality free proxy list that somebody wouldn't mind sharing by PM?

Another thing I noticed is that a lot of these "proxy checkers" seem to return inconsistent results, when comparing checkers, for the same proxies. So, it's difficult to trust the results of any of them.

Thanks for any help.

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Most proxies are pretty slow.  I rarely ever browse sites with them unless I really need to for whatever reason and I never try downloading a large file or watching streaming video with them.  I don't know anything about the program you're talking about because I've never used it.  But I just wanted to let you know that when using anonymous proxies you should turn off java and active x because those are insecure and will pass on information about you even if the proxy doesn't.  That program you're using might do that automatically for you or it might not, I don't know.  The problem with this though is that some sites will then be virtually unusable if you turn those things off.  Some proxies are faster than others.  Finding one that does all the things you want it to do at a good speed might be tough.  Making it worse is that this is a bad time for proxies in general.  A few years ago I was able to put together lists of more than a thousand even after filtering out all gateways that had the same base servers.  But lately 200-300 seems to be all I can get.

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Thanks for the reply.

Some of the working ones weren't slow, but weren't fully featured/effective (to say the least). And it seems they were unreliable as if they were down 50% or more of the time.

I supose I could just try to release/config/change my IP address to try to cover some of my browsing history, but then I'd still likely have location identifiers and security vulnerabilities from direction connection to my IP.

Maybe I should just look into changing/"masking"/"cloaking" my IP. Any info on that?

I guess my problem is I'm just being impatient. I'd rather being doing the things I want to do with the proxy security than messing with proxies. Time is running short for me, so just getting stuff done without the security of the proxy would be more likely to give me better results than delaying progress for quality proxy use. But, then, I get the feeling that some people use fast, reliable, secure, high anonymous, fully featured/interacting proxies often and I'm just a newb so I haven't figured out how to best go about this. Do these people just pay the bigger money for some of the more professional proxy services/programs out there?

I guess the bottom line is it comes down to sourcing quality proxies and all the programs to use proxies are less valuable than actually having a good proxy to use. That ring true to experienced users?

I'm aware some of the java/active x etc leads to more vulnerability but I'm really less worried about that, or not even concerned about that at all, for the pending/immdiate purposes.

I feel like I'm just rambling, but hope this is making SOME progress. I'm just not sure what to do about this predicament yet.


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You were right when you said this forum needs an edit feature. I made too many typos.

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I at least want to change IPs quickly and whenever I want; and if I can return to my current IP from my ISP when I want then that would be great as well. It would also be great if I knew the location of the IPs I was switching to and if I could keep that location within the USA.

I don't know of any other way to do this than using proxies. Am I missing something?

I've seen some proxy toolbars with uploaded proxies, and local proxies, making for very easy IP switching, with "ON/OFF" switches to return to but with poor reviews and reports that they are contributing to browser malfunctions.

I just want to plug and play. Frustrating.

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I don't know if you use Firefox or not as your browser.  If you don't I highly recommend that you do as it is much better than IE in every way imo.  It's faster, more secure, and has lots of extra features you can add.  I went through and looked at the security extensions that can be added by looking for anything that said something about proxies and/or being anonymous.  I found a whole lot of them:

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https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2864
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3239
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4457
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2464
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/125
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2217
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2232
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3452
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3175
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2817
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3606

So perhaps you can try messing with these and see if you find one that does what you want it to do.  I have not used any of them so I don't know how good they are.  But there are tons of different things that can be added to Firefox for doing all sorts of things.  Here is the base page for Firefox add-ons.:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/

Hope this helps.

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Thanks. You are certainly trying to help.

I switch between IE and Firefox, but I often prefer IE for various reasons. For the IP use, it may not be so bad.

I'm just getting exhausted with this. I must have tried 100 proxies now with a <5% success rate. Bollucks!

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It currently seems that I have found some solutions, which would probably be considered an alternative to the proxy strategies typically discussed here. Maybe I have. Time will tell.

I would post more about it but these are free solutions that may compete with the pay programs this forum was created for; and I don't want to piss the admin off.

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Thanks for Wickerman's reply.

Randomness, you can use our software to test and switch the proxy for your IE and Firefox:
http://www.eliteproxyswitcher.com/
Elite Proxy Switcher - Easily testing and using proxies.
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Thanks for Wickerman's reply.

Randomness, you can use our software to test and switch the proxy for your IE and Firefox:
http://www.eliteproxyswitcher.com

I read about it in order to find this forum, but I disagree with how you are releasing your product (to my understanding from reading your site). Too much hassle to do all this testing. Too expensive to pay for both the full featured version of EPS where it shows all the data for the proxies. Too much hassle to find good proxies among all the free ones. Too much risk to pay all that money for updated proxy lists and possibly have the same hassle of testing and using any good ones.

I found cost free, hassle free and nearly trouble free solutions for my browsing the web with various IPs, and free but a bit tedious solution to making ALL of my internet activity - be it mail, IMs etc more anonymous as well.

If you had more features for free, and source revenue from donations and advertising instead of the fees your charge for the software and lists, then I would have been more likely to find use of your services. Just being honest. Maybe you taking this into consideration will help you be more of a success. I know a lot of the software that eventually got bought out for a lot of money was initially open source or freeware with full features and full support.

Thanks to both of you for your replies though. You are helpful to an extent and I may find more use for this forum/software later if support for other things is not up to par.


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Re: NEWB. Time sensitive proxy use needs = impatience/overhwleming proxy BS.
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2007, 10:03:18 AM »
AND PLEASE IMPLEMENT A FEATURE TO ALLOW US TO EDIT OUR TYPOS FROM OUR POSTS!!!!!!

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Re: NEWB. Time sensitive proxy use needs = impatience/overhwleming proxy BS.
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2007, 10:23:25 PM »
You seem to be looking for a method to use proxies that requires no effort from you at all.  Well, outside of some anonymity proggies that you have to pay for I don't know what you can do.  And really I don't know much about those because that is an option I've never considered.  But there are some programs available for a fee that sets up everything for you as far as being anonymous while browsing goes.  I guess just try googling for that sort of thing to see what there is.  Testing proxies and maintaining a good list of them is a time consuming process.

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Re: NEWB. Time sensitive proxy use needs = impatience/overhwleming proxy BS.
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2007, 01:13:23 PM »
You seem to be looking for a method to use proxies that requires no effort from you at all.  Well, outside of some anonymity proggies that you have to pay for I don't know what you can do.  And really I don't know much about those because that is an option I've never considered.  But there are some programs available for a fee that sets up everything for you as far as being anonymous while browsing goes.  I guess just try googling for that sort of thing to see what there is.  Testing proxies and maintaining a good list of them is a time consuming process.

Like I noted before:
I found cost free, hassle free and nearly trouble free solutions for my browsing the web with various IPs, and free but a bit tedious solution to making ALL of my internet activity - be it mail, IMs etc more anonymous as well.

No need to search anymore. ;)



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Re: NEWB. Time sensitive proxy use needs = impatience/overhwleming proxy BS.
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2007, 09:35:40 PM »
If you only want to know the speed and anonymity of the proxies, you can use the free version of Elite Proxy Switcher: http://www.eliteproxyswitcher.com/

If you want to get proxies from proxy forums, you can use the free version of Forum Proxy Leecher: http://fpl.my-proxy.com/
Elite Proxy Switcher - Easily testing and using proxies.
Socks Proxy Checker - To be your chief socks proxy checker.
Buy Proxy - Buy checked proxies from My-Proxy easily and quickly.

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Re: NEWB. Time sensitive proxy use needs = impatience/overhwleming proxy BS.
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2007, 02:16:19 PM »
If you only want to know the speed and anonymity of the proxies, you can use the free version of Elite Proxy Switcher: http://www.eliteproxyswitcher.com/

If you want to get proxies from proxy forums, you can use the free version of Forum Proxy Leecher: http://fpl.my-proxy.com

I've understood this prior to posting on this forum. You have either overlooked or ignored some of my points. Oh well.

 

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